Profoto Pro-7b t0.1 Flash Duration

I measured the t0.1 Flash Duration of the Profoto Pro-7b pack using one Pro-7 head.


All measurements were with Pro-7 head (not 7b head), and measured from 10% of maximum intensity to 10% of maximum intensity (t0.1)

I measured whole stops only (MAX -> -4 on the pack) .  Since you can use the pack at 1/2 power and 1/4 power, this gives 7 stops (1200J to 18.75J)

One measurement in ‘A’ Asymmetric is an outlier, and should be retaken.

Some Findings:

  • A in Asymmetric (A 1/2|B 1/4) is same as B with switch up (A 1/1 |B 1/2)
  • Use B outlet in Asymmetric mode (A 1/2|B 1/4) for shortest duration flashes @ 300J and below
  • Use A outlet in Asymmetric mode (A 1/2|B 1/4) or B outlet in Symmetric mode @ 600J
    Example: if you need 600J, put the head into ‘B’ and set dial to ‘max’ or put dial in ‘A’ and set switch down (A 1/2|B 1/4); light will be same but duration will be 1/833 instead of 1/425 when head is in ‘A’ and symmetric (switch up)
  • Profoto manual appears to be wrong in flash durations
  • Pro-7b appears to reduce flash output by reducing voltage on the capacitors, which causes flash duration to increase.
  • Fastest setting is B 1/4 setting at 150J (dial at -1 which is 1/4 of 600)
  • risetime of flash is much quicker than it was with Dynalite, possible because pack discharges a higher voltage?

Flash Duration Measurement

I took a photo class where we used studio strobes. I was surprised when I set my shutter speed to 1/250s (the maximum sync speed — 4ms duration), when I looked at the image, part of the frame was black. With an on-camera flash, you never see this. The solution in class was to set the shutter speed to 1/160s (6.25 ms). I thought about why this was so and thought it had to do with the flash being of such long duration that the flash hadn’t delivered all of the light it was supposed to before the mechanical shutter started closing, causing part of the frame to be underexposed.  I decided to investigate the duration of the flash with different strobes. In order to do this I decided to measure the flash duration using a light sensor called a photodiode and a circuit I built which I’ll talk about at the end, if you are really curious.  Anyway, from searching the web it turns out that flash manufacturers typically quote a “t 0.5 time” which measures the flash from 50% of light delivered to 50% of light delivered.  Let’s look at one of my measurements:

This is a graph of the output of the photosensor that I built vs. time. It’s measured on something called a real-time oscilloscope, which plots voltage vs. time. The flash works by discharging a high capacitor charged to high voltage through a xenon tube. The shape of the graph should be familiar to most engineers.
I drew the 50% mark that most flash manufacturers quote. You can see that after 50% until the 10% mark there is a lot of light which hasn’t been delivered yet.  A more accurate measure of light duration is the t.1 measurement, which is when you measure from when the flash is 10% of the peak until it falls back down to 10% of the peak source. So, I measured the t.1 way, which people say is approximately 3x as long as the t.5 time. I set a trigger to capture the waveform, then I made sure the peak was not hitting the limit of the amplifier, and I called that the peak, then I measured from 10% peak to 10%peak using the cursors on the oscilloscope.

I have an older Dynalite pack I bought used. The Dynalite packs have kind of idiosyncratic notation, especially the old ones. It can either be in ratio mode, where each half of the pack is separate, or combine, where all the energy is available to both channels.

So, here are my results with a Dynalite 500XL strobe and 1 4040 head:

w/Pack set to Ratio and Variator set to zero:

62J   — 1/1355 s (claim from Dynalite: 1/4500s)

125J — 1/925 s

250J — 1/581 s

With pack set to combine and Variator set to zero:
312.5J — 1/464 s
375J — 1/460 s (why so little difference?)
500J — 1/342 s (claim from Dynalite: 1/1000s)

So you can see that increasing the light output increases the flash duration. Now something I have mentioned but not talked about is the variator which is a way of controlling the flash on a fraction of a stop basis.

Let’s look at when the we set the pack to 250J + 250J (combine) but the variator is set to -1 Stop
250J — 1/291 sec. Now, that is very close to our sync speed. If we have an wireless trigger for the flash, that probably adds some delay (maybe I’ll measure that next), and we could start to close the shutter when the flash is still on and delivering light.

In reality, in class we used 800J and 1000J Dynalite packs, which are slower than the 500J pack that I have. We were shooting with small f-stops, so the pack was almost at its full power setting. I am pretty sure that is what caused the black bars to show up on the camera.

I attached a report which has a graph of all measurements I took.

If you are shooting outdoors where you have to balance available light, or trying to capture a model in motion in the studio, try set the variator to the ‘0’ or no-trim setting. This will make the flash duration the quickest possible for the pack you have. If you want to estimate t.1 time for a flash pack, my measurements show that it is safe to use the rule of thumb that t.1 time is approximately 3x as long as t.5 time, as long as the variator is set to minimum at least with Dynalite flash.

How I built this thing:
Since a diode converts photons into electric current, I used a transimpedance amplifier to convert the current to a voltage. I used a TI 2380 Op-Amp which has a GBWP of 90 MHz. Originally I set the resistor to 10K but this provided too much gain, so I set the feedback resistor to 4.7K and increased the capacitance to 8pF. I carefully selected a photodiode which was sensitive in the visual range, but I think given the brightness of the light, I didn’t need such a specialized photodiode, and I probably could have used even an LED as the photodiode. The scope I used, an Agilent DSO9104A seems to be pretty noisy at 1V/div.


When you care enough not to care…ghetto_image_processing What’s going on here: a camera is used to monitor the readout of a field strength meter inside an EMC chamber, which acts as a Faraday Cage. The meter is monitored in a control room. The object under test obscured the meter, so the image of the meter was bounced off of a mirror, making the digits reversed. The old analog CCTV had no image flipping capability, that is, until ghettotronics saved the day!

Ghettotronics II

This is an industrial oven which is used to do things like temperature cycle and test equipment. The oven is not big enough for the equipment under test, and the dtemp/dtime the oven provided isn’t fast enough, so the engineer (not me, but he wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) rather than actually rent an oven somewhere that’s big enough and with a fast enough temperature delta, looked through the scrap bin and found a cardboard box that was big enough to fit over the opening, and installed space heaters inside the chamber. He held the box against the chamber using a dumbell he “borrowed” from the weight room. Fortunately he plugged into a 20A outlet…This definitely merits an inclusion in my Ghettotronics category!


Here’s a probe my friend Neven made to probe analog pins sensitive to low frequencies for EMC testing. The wood stick is used so that the capacitance of your hand does not couple 50-60Hz hum into the circuit while probing .  The ferrite clamp is used to suppress common mode signals. The duct tape is used to make it ghettotronics.